sure, sure, sure. Found the bullet in the other ear, Weighed 270 grains. 10 mm, the old lady behind me at checkout at Cabelas asked me why I was buying so much ammo. An exceedingly interesting question. white-tailed deer Works good for road rage as well. A mountain lion's skull is thicker than that of a human, and they can survive shots from firearms that are much more powerful. No, they dont. My Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt with handloads, 300-grains, 1,200 fps (1,192 to be exact) goes with me on a lot of black bear hunts with hounds. I for one have never been bear hunting, always wanted and dreamed of going some day. My Glock 10 mm w/ 15 + 1,in The lion was dead before the mule Berry took and shook the lion. Why not? Between airlines, public transportation, hotels, ferryboats, etc. counter-shrunk chambers, and original factory Goncalo Alves target grips. Its got the velocity, but wonder if it would have the penetration? It was there all night and broke its leg, trying to get free. With that said, feel free to carry bear spray if you want. My advice would be take the largest caliber you can comfortably handle. I shoot a 44 mag Ruger Redhawk 4 in ss I love it. A bear spray story- The mountain lion known as P-56 was killed January 27, 2020. I would want a 45 cal or at least a 9mm double action semi-auto with a chambered cartridge every time. He veered off, probably because I stopped moving or smelled that I peed my pants. A powerful handgun with a tough, deep penetrating bullet is the key. Any bear is a big, tough critter and to stop them you will need to penetrate and break stuff like big bones or skulls. Shot 3 whitetail doe in the noodle with that rifle, and it wasn,t graphic. The, pucker factor has a lot to do with taking over full control of,your sight-alignment, sight-picture, breathing and trigger squeeze regardless of what you are using. He didnt know what kind of weapon was used. The police standard is not to let a person get closer than 21 feet with a weapon like a knife, club etc with out being engaged. great chose but as always ,, we forget the 41 magnum.. 454=1 44=2 and that family on that show Alaska running around with them 10mm auto are waiting to be eating by a Big Brown bear. The FORGOTTEN GUN (but one of the best Alaska Bear Guns) is the Ruger .480 7.5 OR 10. I do reload them hot. I havent tried it, but maybe a cut down .454 case to .45 Colt length would help with that. If you carry anything less than a S&W 500 Magnum 4 inch for self protection in this state while in the outdoors you are playing with fire. No semi-auto makes the grade except perhaps the .50 AE, but most ammo for that fails due to bullets. Laboratory work several days after the attack would have indicated rabies. On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! Mountain lions killed 15 dogs in 30 days near a Colorado town. The compilation lists 61 mountain lion attacks that resulted in injuries in the 16 and a half years, and at least 31 cases where attacks were thwarted by aggressive action. As to the power of black bears, I shot a big boar with a 240 grain CVA slug at about 60 yards. Bullets dont tend to divert in the wind at the necessary defensive distances. I took a 29 S&W 6 .44 mag. We live in a world that has an exploding human population and dangerous animals are always the losers. the vast majority of industry gun writers are basically shilling new gear and tend to exist in a repetitive echo chamber with little or no practical experience. What would be the minimum barrel length for any bear spanker? The mountain lion will most likely attempt to tackle you and crush your skull or bite your throat. 9. The problem is the gun. DRT. Fortunately, I had a spare cap in my pocket. Mag seemed the best choice, at 100 yds a 375 H&H appeared even better, and at 25 feet a 155 mm didnt seem large enough! Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. I got a buddy who is a duputy with Harris County (Tx) Sherrifs office. thanks again from a Liberal Gun Toting Okie! You should just mount a 50 cal. Ive reached out for three gentlemen all of whom I call a friend for advice and a few experiences regarding their encounters. While being careful not to say Bear Spray is the Cats meow.. (something to do with not wanting to have their pants sued off by someone who follows their articles advice and whose relatives sue? I want to be able to pump 8 to 18 rounds in his head as fast as I can. A mountain lion would win a fight against a wolf. His dad stopped a charging brown with a .500 S&W pistol a few years ago. The 357-magnum case is just a bigger capacity shell able to provide much better performance. I was hunting in Alaska well before most of your parents even drew a breath. Im paraphrasing a bit here, but I once read an article by Bill Jordan about a new Weatherby rifle he was about to take on safari to Africa. Full power 10mm anyone? The Hornady 325gr Leverevolution is a whole different story. If that is the mountain lion in the background why is it field dressed. What to do? Couple Im friends with have a vacation home in NW Montana(we all live in So. @1,200+ FPS and a 300gr. Always do your homework before entering any unfamiliar land, especially bear infested areas so you will be acquainted with these and other survival techniques including escape routes should you encounter an emergency situation. If you choose bear spray as your only alternative more power to you. Once at night on a fishing trip in the beartooths we had a grizzly fooling around out side the tent, Out I went with my trusty .475 in one hand and a flashlight in the other. Put three or four gun writers in the same room, and youll usually get four different answers, but I think youre seeing a common thread here. A woman was killed by a cougar, in Washington State a couple of weeks ago, while mountain biking. I have never had a chance to stop a bear yet buy was close to one in Yellow Stone park a few years ago when the bear came Those pesky day to day perils of life keep getting in the way. There is nothing wrong with the cartridge. 1st Bullet passed completely through the animal head to rump. He said not really. In my penetration testing I also included a 30 Tokarev as from my experiences in Vietnam I knew they were great penetrators. the game warden. James A. Been involved in 2 grizz encounters. All silliness aside, this illustrates a challenge for a woods gun. However, two of those incidents resulted in fatalities. Something I doubt the 500 or 460 blunderbuss allows. I havent seen any of his Buddys to verify his story, But they like Jack, they have all passed away. While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of I dont shoot them well enough, fast enough to satisfy me, 2. Caliber: 357 or better. But, he says, for now, money is tight and he likes his old service size S . I learned more in this article about wildlife and practical sidearms than any other article to date in thirty-five plus years. Its certainly not the lightest sidearm weighing in at just over 3 pounds, fully loaded in its holster but when Im forced to enter bear country, I have absolutely no worries. Brian M.- I also did the same thing with my Glock 21 accept I started with the 45 Super cartridge. 10 mm. Size. Between travel & the country this gun was never more than arms reach away all that time!! A handgun was what you might carry out to take a dump at night to make you feel better. Most hotels in Kalispell, Montana have a supply of bear spray on hand, which they will lend out to guests who wish to go hiking. Really. can a 38 special kill a mountain lionohio state income tax. Ill try 180s on my next cat. 10, 9, 8, 7, 6 hes ON TOP OF YOU CHOMPING ON YOUR SPINE and THE BACK OF YOUR HEAD ! If I am packing meat, I carry it in a shoulder holster. I was carrying my S&W M-57 4 inch gun. Penetration and shot placement are king. I prefer to carry a .460 Roland built on .45 Colt ACP 1911 chassis. Though perhaps semi-obsolete, if not obsolete for law enforcement I carry either my Ruger Alasken 44 mag, or my Ruger GP 100 in 44 Special with custom loaded 255 gr. While out horseback riding, I cant tell you how many rattlers Ive killed rattlers with my 9mm. Unfortunately, an enraged bear will knock you down before your gun clears leather. In Alaska, meat is often removed from a kill site via a frame pack and two strong legs, and all that blood creates a scent trail like a flashing All-you-can-eat buffet advertisement. In a close encounter this bear would have had enough time to kill me with no problem. Radically Invasive Projectile G2 ammo works! The third racoons I shot was hit behind the heart lung area with a 7.62x 25 , it flinched from the shot, turned, growled, and continued towards a timbered embankment and possible escape. People started carrying bear spray in that area. When I fleshed the bear skull I filled a 5 gallon bucket with muscle meat from the skull. Seeing the bull moose charging froze me. In the end the animals will lose as even the anti-hunting crowd will realize that dangerous animals cannot be tolerated around civilization as there is no room for both humans and dangerous animals or wild animals that destroy crops. A doe once got a hoof caught in the top of a cyclone fence, near our property. You can also use a hunting rifle or pistol to fire at the lion if it makes a charge at you. Yes, the first round was the fatal round but it didnt stop the bear. Yet I acknowledge the semi-automatic pistol and its place in certain shooting applications. After watching a grizzly tear apart a moose calf in the Tetons I took my s&w .40 to a pawn shop and traded it for a .41 magnum Taurus tracker with a 4 ported barrel, The S&W .500 was too heavy to carry while hiking. You'd be much, much better off with bear spray. Or even a simple GLOCK 10mm like the A.H.P. Lets get my own choices out of the way first. There was a Professor who during the 50s and 60s working with the US Forrest Service..spent a great deal of time studying bears and bear attacks. This has way more energy and velocity ahah a standard loading and the judge and governor probably would not safely shoot those loads. I will take it to heart and now that Ive learned the 4 3 1 rule Ill not forget it, and not fail to abide by it while in bear country, and quite probably every time Im hunting. HSM .45LC 325 grain is a real stopper. Hunting and slaughtering are hardly a comparison. tell me want have you really killed lately. Mountain lions are a protected species in California. 7.62 mm (.32 cal) out of a necked-down 9mm case. I have had to kill a couple Grizzlies, and have had numerous Mexican stand offs, over moose or caribou kills. It has been updated through June of 2017. cougars During the same period, persons defending themselves with pepper spray escaped injury most of the time, and those that were injured experienced shorter duration attacks and less severe injuries. The animal became a little wobbly and went to a tree then moved toward Paul again and it was shot a second time. That said, I wish someone would come up with a good ballistic gel/trauma plate simulated bear and test out everything from .22 LR to all the Dirty Harry stuff, .44 Mag and up. Pretty cool! style bullet or a solid jacketed bullet with a large flat meplat no mater the caliber used. The experience led me to think about bear, cougar, and moose encounters that can happen on my property. I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. Mountain lions are normally very secretive and cautious. The dogs are most often released at the kill site, where they pick up the lion's scent and track the lion until it is cornered or climbs a tree. That said, here are my picks. That wont be possible until my kids are out of college, though. Absolute .357 Mag in a revolver for me is a minimum. Dogs and coyotes have one indent at the bottom of their pads. You could get pretty close to a semi-auto .454 Casull if you had a .440 Cor-Bon Desert Eagle. Can mountain lions jump? A 22 may kill a mountain lion, but a 44 magnum will kill their soul as well. After a comment like that, Im certain that youre an expert in the art of defensive purse swinging. The only grizzly I ever saw that was dead right there.. Government paid hunters were also paid to do the same. I asked what type of Rifle he carried. And no, I do not bother with bear spray. That being said I would never recommend a .22 for bear protection or hunting. All shots were heart lung ,,,edit,, All shots were attempted heart lung. For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. Hunters killed off mountain lions in the park in the 1930s but the animals moved back in during the 1980s. That was my initial question as well. They invited me out and told me that if I go, be forewarned that there are grizzlies about. Bear spray is actually bear fogger and comes out in a finely atomized mist with absolutely no chance of moving against even the faintest of breezes. courage1. Mountain lion attacks on humans, however, are rare in Colorado, with Colorado Parks and Wildlife counting fewer than 20 over the past 30 years. They are beautiful animals I love seeing in the wild, but from a very safe distance, downwind of the bear. Being aware that sounds and smell plays a role in a bears survival by detecting prey, keep food or harvested deer meat or other game tightly contained as it would be analogous to swimming in blood filled water with man-eating sharks. After all that I have come to some conclusions about killing things with a handgun. The reverse is not true. Wolfe played for the Broncos from 2012-19 and the Ravens in 2020. Bear is a bear, you underestimate them at your own peril. The lion had killed the livestock but had not eaten them, The Mercury News reported. The study found that adult male lions were more likely to kill less but bigger prey than females. 1. Not an expert by any means, just always loved the horribilis in the name, denoting the end result of chance meeting with an angry Grizzly in a dark alley. I agree the 329 PD is ideal with Lower Recoil .44 Magnum Ammo 255 gr. I dont care if my hand probably wont wrap around the grip. A man accused of taking part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is now facing house arrest for killing a mountain lion in Colorado - with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.. Patrick Montgomery was . on this subject is this: self defense/house protection/concealed carry is only half Supposedly it will go through armor vests, 1.5 inches of steel, etc. I have been carrying my 1911 or my Taurus PT-92 for years and know what each round can do as a former US Army medic. Which brings up the old but true adage. I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. I know there are some folks out there that carry handguns in the bush, but in a dozen years I didnt meet many, either agency folks or sportsmen. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. Do you have a rare 5-shot model, or just down to your last five cartridges for the photo shoot? When I asked him for his insight, he was kind enough to respond in detail. Roughly the same size as my 8 S & W 44 mag, but a lot more fire power. My buddy Marty Groppi who enjoys the famous trout streams of Upstate New York carries a Smith & Wesson Model 29 in the classic .44 Magnum, a combination that will most definitely save your bacon. Its a free country Plinker you are free to engage in Prayer, Ritual and Incantations by the light of the moon. A member of the group shot the lion twice, killing it, Babb said. Just food for thought Stay safe Brian. Mountain lions actually have the largest hind legs (proportionally) of all the members of the cat family. Carry the biggest gun you can for bears or charging moose. With a double-action police type service revolver I can unload all six spent shell casings into the palm of my hand and thus There is a lot of nonsense out on the internet from people who have never seen a bear and have probably never cut up a dead critter to see what a bullet will do. Not being a cougar hunter, didnt pay much attention to it. I no longer use trick bullets or many jacketed bullets. Its jackass. 200gr LRN out of my G29 or EAA Elite Match. My rule of thumb is the minimum is 4-3-1. Can a wolf beat a mountain lion? Back in However, the realization that you might have to use one to defend against a couple-hundred pounds of teeth and fangs doesnt exactly make one feel like Zorro; in fact, I looked down at it and said to myself:This is gonna hurt. mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. I shot that bear in the mouth without breaking a tooth on him cause he was popping his jaws whilst standing on his back legs trying to get thru the fence. Funny how there is no mention of bear spray in all of this as it has to be the first option compared to killing and animal in whose domain you have wandered. I would rather have a .44 mag with a 6 barrel or the 454 Casull but it was a practical upgrade and is light enough with 5 rounds to carry on long hikes. The lion can then be shot and removed, or tranquilized and transplanted at least 300 miles (480 km) away. Speaking of the 10mm, theres no mention. A mountain lion was mauling her 5-year-old son in front of her. @ 1,100+ FPS!! Great advice. Id wager that Ive walked within feet of bear and cougar many times without realizing that they were there. Buy .357 magnum at the minimum. Most glocks can be purchased for about 600 dollars. RIP ammo is fine against flesh, as in human flesh. For self defense/house protection/ Unfortunately it seems that a sow protecting her cubs, as she is hard wired to do, is killed then the cubs are then euthanized, or as I prefer to call it, killed. 8gr 800-X will put some lead into anyones pencil. I have a hard time believing when pressed in close quarters, that they would do well with a .410 load in the face. think of anything better to own, carry, keep, and have instantly accessible than a good He said 45 colt loaded with a 300 grain plus hard cast bullet. They live off the grid and have lots of bear trouble with their livestock. 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